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Doggy

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2/2=1
Det tilhører fortiden, eller egentlig ikke det heller.
For 2/2 har aldri vært 1, det er jo ikke logisk.
2/2=2
Si du har to epler som du og en venn skal dele
så får du stykket 2/2 men selv om dere får et hver
så er d fortsatt to epler.
Noen som er uenige?

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InnleggSkrevet: Tor 21 Apr 2005, 15:12
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Cináed

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Ikke enig. Svaret du skal frem til er ikke summen av de to du deler.
2/2=1 på hver. Det er den vanlige formen. I ditt tilfelle blir det
2/2=1 til hver av 2 mennesker som tilsammen blir 2.
2/2=2 er feil. Det måtte blitt 2/2=2/2 som jo er riktig...

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InnleggSkrevet: Tor 21 Apr 2005, 16:05
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Doggy

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Men når d står 2/2 (2 delt på 2), så står der ingen plass at du ska sei någe om kor mange kver av de får. Derfor må d jo bli:
2/2=2

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InnleggSkrevet: Tor 21 Apr 2005, 22:25
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Cináed

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Tricky... For trøtt til å finne noen logisk forklaring.

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 06:33
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Doggy

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Let me know when you find it!

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 16:13
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Eyden

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Dette er bare ordkløveri og å dvele ved det er bare bortkastet. Det er veldig lett å skape slike "ulogiske" konklusjoner når man lager språklige synonymsetninger for det samme problemet. Matematikk er et verktøy for å regne ut løsninger på problemstillinger. Når du i dette eksempelet sier at det fortsatt er 2 epler så har du jo rett i det, men da har du gått bort ifra problemstillingen, som er hvor mye hver enkelt får. Du vet jo allerede hvor mange epler det er totalt sett.

Mye av disse "ulogiske" problemene oppstår fordi språk ikke er så presist som matematikk og tar ting med en god porsjon salt.
I matematikken er 2/2 akkurat det samme som 2*0,5. Sistnevnte er det ikke like lett å betvile gyldigheten av.

Matte for kverulanter:
1+1=1 kan stemme angående vanndråper osv..

Drit i sannsynlighetsregning! Hvis du ruller en terning for å vinne et veddemål om at du får en 6'er, har du ikke 6 mulige utfall. Enten så vinner du, eller så taper du => 1 gunstig utfall / 2 mulige utfall = 50% Razz

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 16:37
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Ja, men er ikke det en veldig kjedelig måte å se ting på?

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 17:11
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Doggy

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Mye kjekkere med min Matematikk!

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 17:11
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Begynn å fordreie sannheten innen politikk istedet, så har du kanskje en mujlighet for en toppjobb innen regjeringen Freakish

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 17:45
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Matematikk er mye rart, men ikke kjedelig. Det finnes mangfoldige uløste matematiske problemer som vil velte om på mye av måten matematikk tolkes i dag om de blir løst.

Men talent for å fiske frem mange tolkninger av skrevne ord gjør seg godt i yrker som feks advokat eller religiøs leder Smile

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 18:50
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Jeg ville gått for religiøs leder.

Hører de har ledige stillinger i Jehovas Vitner nå da.

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InnleggSkrevet: Fre 22 Apr 2005, 20:03
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Doggy

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Jeg har alltid hatt lysst til å se et slikt matematisk problem som ingen klarer å løse! Jeg kan liksom ikke se for meg hvordan d i d hele tatt er mulig!

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InnleggSkrevet: Lør 23 Apr 2005, 01:33
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Vel... Du kan jo alltids prøve å finne kvadratroten av -1... Det er et problem som egentlig ikke er løst enda. Det ble løst vet å innføre tallet "i", men allikevel da...

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InnleggSkrevet: Søn 24 Apr 2005, 20:44
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Terning skrev:
Jeg ville gått for religiøs leder.

Hører de har ledige stillinger i Jehovas Vitner nå da.


Stillingen som pave er vel snart åpen igjen, de er ikke akkurat flinke til å velge de yngste folka der

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InnleggSkrevet: Søn 24 Apr 2005, 21:34
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Cináed

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Uløste matematiske problemer

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InnleggSkrevet: Man 25 Apr 2005, 13:27
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Dj_Ista skrev:
Vel... Du kan jo alltids prøve å finne kvadratroten av -1... Det er et problem som egentlig ikke er løst enda. Det ble løst vet å innføre tallet "i", men allikevel da...


Kvadratroten av -1 er i, det er ikke en liksomløsning siden de ikke fant en annen verdi. Faktum er at det ikke finnes en rasjonell løsning på roten av -1 (merk rasjonell, som i rasjonelle tall). Hvis vi ser bort fra 0 har alle rasjonelle tall har et fortegn, pluss eller minus; to like fortegn som ganges sammen blir alltid pluss. Altså kan man ikke få roten til et negativt tall ved å gange et reellt tall med seg selv. Den eneste løsningen er rett og slett å inføre imaginære tall, altså i, som per definisjon er kvadratroten til -1.

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InnleggSkrevet: Ons 27 Apr 2005, 12:08
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Eyden skrev:

Drit i sannsynlighetsregning! Hvis du ruller en terning for å vinne et veddemål om at du får en 6'er, har du ikke 6 mulige utfall. Enten så vinner du, eller så taper du => 1 gunstig utfall / 2 mulige utfall = 50% Razz


Ikke riktig

Her kommer vi egentlig inn på forskjeller på teori og praksis. I teorien når det gjelder terningspill har du seks sider, og det er lik sjanse for at terningen havner på hver av dem.
I praksis må man ha med gravitasjon, trefflate, vindstyrke, terningens utgangsposisjon, kraft, sprett i terningen, og vinkel og retning på kastet (om det er fler er det bare å legge til). Om man får med alt dette i et sannsynlighetsstykke finner man ut at terningen bare kan havne på den ene siden. om det er fem er det 0/1 sjanse for å få sekser, mens om det er seks er det 1/1 sjanse for å få sekser.

Siden det bare er et gunstig utfall og et mulig utfall faller egentlig begrepet sjanse bort.

Mens om vi bare tenker teori er det fortsatt en av seks muligheter for å få en sekser. Du må huske at det er en mulig vinn-situasjon, men fem mulige tap-situasjoner. fortsatt 1/6 Razz

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InnleggSkrevet: Ons 04 Mai 2005, 10:05
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Doggy

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Det kommer an på øyet som ser. Situsjonen er slik at enten vinner du, eller så taper du. Altså 2 mulige og et gunstig.

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InnleggSkrevet: Tor 12 Mai 2005, 15:14
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På veggen i gamle Studio Nova (nå Freetransform Studios) hang det en plakat der det sto "Hvis du spiller inn en plate her er det 50% sjangs for at du kommer på forsida i VG!"
Enten gjør du det, eller så gjør du det ikke.
Nå skal det nevnes at bla. Aha, D.D.E., Jahn Teigen og Bettan har spilt inn der da... Så det er jo ikke så altfor usant heller Razz

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InnleggSkrevet: Tor 12 Mai 2005, 20:20
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