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[QIQrrr]

Erik Hoffer (fra Dick Sutphen's "The Battle for Your Mind"):
http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm#hh

"True believers are not intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self, but are those craving to be rid of unwanted self. They are followers, not because of a desire for self-advancement, but because it can satisfy their passion for self-renunciation!" Hoffer also says that true believers "are eternally incomplete and eternally insecure"!

I know this from my own experience. In my years of communicating concepts and conducting trainings, I have run into them again and again. All I can do is attempt to show them that the only thing to seek is the True Self within. Their personal answers are to be found there and there alone. I communicate that the basics of spirituality are self-responsibility and self-actualization. But most of the true believers just tell me that I'm not spiritual and go looking for someone who will give them the dogma and structure they desire.

Never underestimate the potential danger of these people. They can easily be molded into fanatics who will gladly work and die for their holy cause. It is a substitute for their lost faith in themselves and offers them as a substitute for individual hope. The Moral Majority is made up of true believers. All cults are composed of true believers. You'll find them in politics, churches, businesses, and social cause groups. They are the fanatics in these organizations.

Mass Movements will usually have a charismatic leader. The followers want to convert others to their way of living or impose a new way of life--if necessary, by legislating laws forcing others to their view, as evidenced by the activities of the Moral Majority. This means enforcement by guns or punishment, for that is the bottomline in law enforcement.

A common hatred, enemy, or devil is essential to the success of a mass movement. The Born-Again Christians have Satan himself, but that isn't enough--they've added the occult, the New Age thinkers and, lately, all those who oppose their integration of church and politics, as evidenced in their political reelection campaigns against those who oppose their views. In revolutions, the devil is usually the ruling power or aristocracy. Some human-potential movements are far too clever to ask their graduates to join anything, thus labeling themselves as a cult--but, if you look closely, you'll find that their devil is anyone and everyone who hasn't taken their training.

There are mass movements without devils but they seldom attain major status. The True Believers are mentally unbalanced or insecure people, or those without hope or friends. People don't look for allies when they love, but they do when they hate or become obsessed with a cause. And those who desire a new life and a new order feel the old ways must be eliminated before the new order can be built.

Å legge livet sitt (og dermed verdensanskuelsen) i hendene på predefinert tro er tragisk...

[Ronja]

Det er din mening og det har jeg oppfattet.
Heldigvis bryr ikke de fleste kristne seg om påstander som det du kommer med og bryr seg heller om sin egen salighetssak, ikke om å rakke ned på andres mål i livet.

[QIQrrr]

Den "salighetssaken" du trekker frem er ikke noe "mål i livet", men ren ønsketenkning for "livet" etter det uunngåelige; døden...

[Ronja]

[QIQrrr]

Et spørsmål:

Tror du jeg kommer til å havne i helvete den tid jeg ikke er troende og jevnlig bryter med de ti bud? Legg til denne forutsetning; QIQrrr vil, inntil han dør, ikke la seg omvende.

[Ronja]

[QIQrrr]

Jeg vil at du skal svare meg på mitt spørsmål. Forøvrig er det interessant at du mener din tro ikke har noen betydning...det er jo den du lever etter og således bør den bety alt for deg, i motsatt fall faller ditt verdensbilde sammen allerede på det personlige plan.

...svar meg på spørsmålet mitt er du snill.

[Ronja]

[QIQrrr]

Hva tror du da?

[Ronja]

[QIQrrr]

Ikke kom med motspørsmål er du snill, svar på spørsmålet mitt.

[Ronja]

[Glahn]

Hva var det jeg sa om å tråkke folk på tærne helt i begynnelsen her? Nå har det jo faktisk fått virkelig relevans for denne tråden. Ser også at jeg ikke er den eneste som påpeker at man snakker fullstendig forbi hverandre her...

[QIQrrr]

[Glahn]

Når man sier at folk er hjernevaskede, da tråkker man dem på tærne. Som andre her sa - det er rett og slett uforskammet.

Når man åpenbart ikke får svar man er fornøyd med, slik tilfellet er her, så er det temmelig tydelig at man snakker forbi hverandre. Jeg er ikke den eneste som har sett det.

Hvis spørsmålet var så enkelt å svare på, ville det da vært nødvendig med så mye diskusjon omkring det, ikke bare her, men ellers i verden også?

[QIQrrr]

[M_Stuff]

[QIQrrr]

[sharee]

Er ikke hele poenget med tro at man ikke skal være nødt til å bevise det?

[QIQrrr]