Satanisme - Oppskrytt hemmelighetsskremmeri fra motstandere?

[toth42]

Jeg har lurt litt pÄ alle myter som kretser rundt satanisme, sÊrlig fra media og kirkens side..

Her er Church of Satan's egne bud og synder, som jo er det esensielle; bryter ikke dette totalt med bildet man ellers blir fremstilt av satanismens motstandere?

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The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1967

[Spanish, Croation]



1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another?s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.


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The Nine Satanic Sins

by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1987



1. Stupidity?The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It?s too bad that stupidity isn?t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness?Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn?t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone?s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism?Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won?t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of ?Do unto others as they do unto you.? It?s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit?It?s in the ?Nine Satanic Statements? but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it?s fun, and with awareness. But then, it?s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity?That?s obvious from a Satanic stance. It?s all right to conform to a person?s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective?Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints?know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies?Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it?s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride?That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you?ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I?m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics?This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It?s not what?s supposed to be pleasing?it?s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one?s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.
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[toth42]

Et tillegg:

The Nine Satanic Statements

from The Satanic Bible, ©1969

by Anton Szandor LaVey


1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his ?divine spiritual and intellectual development,? has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!



9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years

[mattestykke]

vel, komisk er det ialefall.

[toth42]

[mattestykke]

At det hĂžres dumt ut.

Om jeg ikke missforstÄ stod det fks, ikke stjel noe, bare hvis det er en byrde for han, ikke om han vil du skal stjele det.
Men engelsken min er ikke 100% da.

[lupin]

Mer som "Ikke ta noe som ikke er ditt, med mindre det er en byrde som noen ber deg ta." sirka

[toth42]

Riktig, det stÄr du skal ikke ta annen manns eiendom dersom ikke den er en slik byrde for ham at han ber deg inderlig om Ä ta det fra ham. Med andre ord en "god" gjerning.
De fleste reglene her stemmer jo overens med det vi(den vanlige mann, ogsÄ kristne) ser som god moral..

[Veronica]

Et lett dykk under overflaten av det man legger i ordet "satanisme" i dag vil fÄ en til Ä forstÄ at folk flest slettes ikke har skjÞnt det.

LaVey-satanisme (mÄ ikke forveksles med hobby-satanisme) handler ganske enkelt om Ä passe sine egne saker.

[toth42]

Ja.. "Satanisme" var kansje ikke sÄ klokt ordvalg av LaVey, da det har lite med den generelle oppfatning av Satan Ä gjÞre.. mÄ nÄ var vel heller ikke det generelle og offentlige mening/oppfatning/reaksjon LaVeys stÞrste concern heller..

[darkfrog]

IfÞlge en artikkel fra Dagbladet 11 juni 1991 er satanisme dyrkningen av "flere hemmelige ritualer - perversiteter som overgÄr den villeste fantasi".

"Barn blir urinert pÄ og ekskrementer smÞres ut over kroppen, hodet og ansiktet. Urin og ekskrementer blandes med blod og sÊd til en grÞt som barnet tvinges til Ä spise... Dyresex, sex med andre barn og med dÞde forekommer ogsÄ. .. Ofringen er likevel det mest ekstreme.

Satanister ofrer alt fra levende foster til voksne mennesker. Blodet blir drukket og kroppen spist."


VĂ„rt Land 10 oktober 1992:
"Satan kultus i hemmelige sirkler: svarte messer og ritualer med misbruk av barn. Ofringer av aborterte fostre. Psykisk betinging og personlighetsnedbryting av barn og voksne.”

"Ritualene preges av Ä vÊre perverse motsatser til den kristne gudstjeneste. Satanistene synes Ä vÊre svÊrt fiksert av nattverden. Den feires som et grotesk livsfiendtlig mÄltid, med rituelle sex-orgier, samt seremoniell bruk av blod og andre kroppsvÊsker."

"Mange fremholder at de satanistiske ritualene hentet ut av middelalderens svartebÞker, bare er billige pÄskudd for ekstreme pedofile. De utnytter barns frykt for onde makter til Ä skremme seg til skjermet seksuell omgang med barn..."


og hvorfor har meida framstilt satanisme pÄ en dÄrlig mÄte??av samme grunn som de setter de fleste utlendinger i dÄrlig lys:fremmedfrykt
de vet ikke hva satanisme gÄr ut pÄ,ergo er de litt redde,og de ser pÄ klesstilen til de som hÞrer pÄ "brÄkemusikk" og ser at de ikke ser helt gode ut,sÄ de tenker "aha,de tror sikkert de er ondskapen selv" ogsÄ har vi idoter som stÞtter dems teori,se pÄ Ghaal foreksempel,som overfalt han 40 Är gammle mannen og drakk blodet hans,Greven som brant ned kirker(dog han hevder sin uskyld)og derfor tror folk at dette er satanisme,at alle satanister hater kristene menesker og at de er hybbopyromaner og brenner ned kirker og bibler og allt som er.det er FEEEIL,det er ikke satanisme.
uanset,satanisme og kristendom mÞtes pÄ halvveien,ene er ikke bedre en den andre,like mye tull og faenskap i begge deler,begge guder er like onde,bare pÄ litt forskjelige mÄter

[toth42]

[darkfrog]

nettop
selv jeg er antikristen,men pÄ en litt annen mÄte
men der kan du se,satanisme er ikke sÄ grufult og makabert som folk skal ha det til,folk VET IKKE
de er uvitene

[mr. Grieves]

jeg respekterer LaVey og hans religion\livsstil selv om jeg i prinsippet er imot organisert religion. den er relativt liberal og er i ikke statsreligion noe sted. jeg ville ikke styrt et land etter reglende hans da.

[lupin]

[Haaa]

De beste reglene for Ä vÊre en satanist finnes i sangen Satanist av Ølguttene, fÞlger du alt der kan de ikke gÄ feil

[toth42]

[Mr_Pin]

[SecretWindancer]

[darkfrog]

[theJack]

Jeg ville bare prĂžve Ă„ si noe om det Ă„ kalle noe for satanisme.

Det er veldig frigjĂžrende.

(nuff said? no)

I en verden hvor kristendommen og kristne verdier ses pÄ som det eneste rette (eventuelt avarter og veldig like livssyn) er det kanskje nÞdvendig Ä kalle seg satanist for Ä vÊre sikker pÄ at ingen normer skal presses pÄ fra den kanten. Bare for Ä definere seg ut, altsÄ.

Q: Er vi virkelig gale?